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Wednesday, July 20, 2005

Gun Review: KelTec Sub 2000 9-mm Carbine

Who: Jon [redacted]
What: KelTec Sub 2000 9mm carbine (Glock version)
When: 1300-1430 hrs, 20 July 2005 [Jon hasn't lost his military vernacular yet, ed.]
Where: Ben Avery shooting range, Phoenix, Arizona
Why: Because

Cowboy Blob asked me to do a guest blog and review my new toy. Being as he is a devious soul, he asked me said question after a few drinks and I replied, “ShurIdloveta.” At least that’s what he told me I said. Anyhoo, it’s either write a few paragraphs or pay him to suppress the damn pictures.

Short Review: Buy it! It’s a great gun for $300.

Long Review: I bought the Sub 2000 ($325) and two factory Glock 18 mags, (33 rounders @ $36 each) on Monday. It comes with one ten-round magazine. I guess they have to find something to do with them now. Who the hell is going to buy a ten-rounder anymore? The firearm can be had for around $300, but is hard to find so I paid the extra $$$ to get the bird-in-hand.

Here it is in the ready condition (on my ugly carpet).











Here it is in the folded configuration with the two 33-rd mags and a standard Glock 17 magazine for size reference.










The carbine is very compact in the folded configuration. I was impressed with the ease of folding/unfolding the carbine. I can store it on a shelf in my safe, and as the following picture shows, it fits so well in my Dillon range bag that I didn’t feel the need to buy another gunbag for it.


Weather conditions were decent today and I only had to share the range with a few people. It was sunny with hardly any wind, though a little chilly at 41 degrees. Oh wait, that’s in Centigrade. It was 106 degrees Fahrenheit. Maybe that’s why there weren’t many people at the range! It’s all relative. The last few days it got up to 116 F, so it seemed cool today. Here is a picture of the range. My target stand is at 25 yards. The white targets are paper plates I used to get familiar with the carbine and the black center target is one of the Shoot-N-C targets I used to record my “official” results.

Here is a picture of my range table with my gear. Note the high-tech notepad and pen to record results and impressions. I used my rangebag as a rest.


The only ammo I used was 115 grain Winchester target ammo. It is reliable and economic at about $10 per box of 100 rounds (Wal Mart). The KelTec instruction manual stated the best accuracy came from premium hollow-point 9mm ammo, but since this is what I plan on using for the monthly Cactus Match competitions then I figured I should see how it performed with said ammo.

I fired a total of 200 rounds through the carbine and it performed flawlessly. Can’t get much better then that. Here are my impressions of my Sub 2000 shooting experience:

Sights: Rear peep with enclosed high-visibility (red) front post sight. The mechanism to adjust the sight is a little clunky but works. My carbine shot high and left out of the box. It took me a little while to dial the rifle in to an acceptable point of aim, but I also did it without the instruction manual (dummy!). A dime worked great as a sight adjustment tool. Bottom line, the sights seem a little cheap but they work and are sturdy.

Trigger: A little heavy but I was surprised at the consistency. Frankly, the trigger pull is much better than I expected from a $300 rifle. It seemed similar to a Glock trigger without the two stages. When the safety is engaged, the trigger can be pulled to the rear, so the mechanism is not a blocking mechanism.

Ergonomics: Overall, I was pleased with the ergonomics. The carbine is a little small for me, but that is a good thing. I am 6’ 2” and about 205 lbs. This means kids or average-sized females can comfortably shoot the Sub 2000. In fact, they will probably find it so much fun that they won’t want to hand it back to you!

I felt most of the controls were well placed and easily manipulated. I had to adjust my grip slightly when I disengaged the safety, but it wasn’t too extreme. The carbine pointed quite naturally. I would hold it at the normal ready position (port arms), and it was easy and smooth to transition to the firing position.

Accuracy: The carbine is easy to shoot and gave decent accuracy for the price. Here my “official” 25-yard, 5-rd group. The left most shot was my last and I distinctly remember pulling it a little. For size reference, the black target is 8” wide.

Although the rifle was still shooting a little left, I was tired of messing with the sights and wanted to check the accuracy at 100 yards. After firing a couple of rounds with no visible effect, I shot at a bush and realized the carbine shot high at 100 yards. I then lowered my point of aim to just below the bottom of the black. I fired 5 rounds and remember jerking the trigger on the third shot. That is why there are only four holes; my fault not the carbine's.



Cleaning: I gave the disassembly instructions the once over and went to it. The carbine is easy to disassemble and clean. It took me exactly twenty minutes to disassemble, clean, and reassemble. Now that I know how it works, next time will take less time. The bolt is a simple two-piece affair.


Summary: I’d like to have a 9mm AR-15 to go with my Bushmaster but the KelTec Sub 2000 is a fun, well-designed firearm that gives decent accuracy and does so at 1/3 of the price. My kids and I will feel confident we can compete with it effectively in the Cactus Combat pistol caliber carbine matches, and I feel confident in depending on it for more serious matters. It is nice knowing that if a shitty situation cropped up and I felt the need to carry my Glock 34 with M3 flashlight, Glock 26 backup, and KelTec Sub 2000 carbine, I would only need to bring along one caliber of ammo and all my larger magazines could fit in all my smaller firearms. If you’ve been wondering about this firearm…buy it!

Speaking of 9-mm carbines, Mr. Completely reviews the Hi Point!.

11 Comments:

  • At 1:08 PM, Blogger Cutter said…

    Good review. I've been thinking about picking up one of those (the SIG 226 version, which also accepts CZ75B mags).

     
  • At 1:44 PM, Blogger Tyler D. said…

    Thats a slick little gun.

     
  • At 9:40 AM, Blogger Mr. Completely said…

    Very well done review. I wish I knew someone who had one of those so I could try it out.

    Did you shoot a target with it for the e-Postal Rifle match?

    Also, thanks for the mention and link!!

     
  • At 10:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I'd get the .40 caliber model. That caliber, while a bit more expensive to shoot, had so much better hitting power than the 9mm that it's worth the extra cost of ammo.

    BTW, your ammo cost seems high. I get white box 9mm up here in OR for $6 on sale, no more than $8 off sale.

    Rivrdog

     
  • At 11:55 AM, Anonymous Jon said…

    Thanks for the comments on my review. As for hitting power, I agree that the .40 is better than the 9mm. I have a few .45 cal weapons if I need bigger holes in my target. When the .40 came out I already had 9mm and .45 in my stable and wanted to keep my logistics down to a few calibers. Also the 9mm is more economical when you are talking about shooting around 400 rds per month. The price for the ammo ($10) is for a box of 100 rounds. Not sure if you are talking about $6-8 for a box of 50 or 100, RIVRDOG.

    Even though .40 may have more stopping power than 9mm, I still feel confident in depending on it to defend myself. Besides, no one says you only have to shoot one round. My philosophy is shoot till the threat is over, and I can shoot my 9mm Glocks (19, 26, and 34) very quick and accurate. Of course if I know bad times are coming, I'll reach for my Benelli stoked full of 00 buck/slugs. Nothing compares to a 12 gauge if you need to rapidly transfer large doses of kinetic energy!

     
  • At 12:52 PM, Blogger Cowboy Blob said…

    I've got three printers in my house house and none of them work! Granted, it's because I'm too cheap to buy new cartridges for machines that suck them up for very little printing done.... Otherwise, I'd be playing in the postal matches too!

     
  • At 1:26 PM, Anonymous Jon said…

    What is a postal match?

     
  • At 9:55 PM, Anonymous Kreg Anthony said…

    Hey thanks for that great review! I picked up the gun today and I am looking forward to shooting it tomorrow! I am searching the web for reviews on this carbine and this is the best so far!

    THANKS AGAIN, BEST WISHES!

     
  • At 9:14 PM, Anonymous daveocean said…

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    go to ktog.org all owners of sub2k and keltecs can join together-- tight place - peace

    dave ocean

     
  • At 5:48 AM, Blogger Rooster Poot said…

    If it shoots high at 25 yds it will surely shoot even higher at 100 yds...although in this case it was a bit surprising the puny 9 X 19 flew that high. Have any of you gunners tried 147 gr. JHP's or cast in this dude?

     
  • At 8:03 PM, Anonymous rodent said…

    nice review, concise & clear - adds confidence to the purchase. Would like to hear more about problems as well, if any.

    and some nice follow-up comments & images, too.

     

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